Pain seems to be completely off his rocker. His behavior was exceedingly unprofessional sharing your preliminary work, let alone work you felt was incomplete and required more study. Work that you concluded wasn’t correct. That was a red flag from the outset. Couple that with more recent behavior and it seems that he is possibly mentally unstable. In his desire to expose the vaccines as unsafe products he has chosen to vilify aspects of their dangers if he doesn’t believe one aspect of it is less important than possibly others. That anyone focusing on a potential issue that he sees isn’t the most important in his opinion, is some who working against his pet complaint.
This has been an ongoing problem with members of Pandata for over a year. While it would be nice to believe that this overzealousness is rooted in true desire to bring to light the inherent dangers in these products, as time goes along, it seems to be willful misdirection. Why? Because as McKernan points out, this DNA contamination issue is the one MOST EASILY LITIGATED!!!
So why has this group chosen to attack the research that helps in building the groundwork necessary for other researchers to build upon and delve more deeply into what these contaminants are ultimately causing to occur in vitro?
There seems to be some hidden agenda at work here and it’s likely not good. I feel that Pain has been unduly influenced by people who have a nefarious agenda and have put him into nearly a fugue state of mind, where he can no longer think clearly and is behaving irrationally.
This noise over a few mistakes in a high school genetics study paper, which could easily be corrected and have no real bearing on the results, can be easily corrected is unnecessary. It doesn’t negate the fact that 7 other professional labs, with highly credentialed researchers had already found similar results.
The people in the PANDA sphere appear to be in the process of splintering the cohesiveness of researchers seeking answers. It’s a divide and conquer strategy that ultimately likely traces back to BigPharma™ and their desire to limit theirs and their insurer’s liability.
I've had to block him. He tried to claim that IgG4 class switching was caused by lps endotoxin contamination. This makes zero sense as it would act as a superantigen, especially with Spike.
So I asked for references.
After repeated requests he linked his Substack and 4 references in it.
I followed each one up in detail as I could be wrong, but they were either totally irrelevant or said the exact opposite.
I've noted in the past that Pain's tone is normally aggressive and condescending. Frequently pops into the comments to throw some angry one liners. He is not interested in discussion, no matter how contentious his arguments are. Sus.
I believe his behavior predates this article. I normally would follow a dissident scientist like him, but I remember not following purely because of his tone. I find his adversarial style stressful to read.
That yard looks like it hasn’t been cared for in a decade or more.
If you have old growth trees on your property near buildings you have to care for them. I know we’ve spent thousands over the last 25 years maintaining and removing ones that were non-viable and this is just a ¼ acre lot. Maintaining things require effort and a chunk of your income, but it’s necessary.
yes, sure, maintenance is impoertant, for the look alone, the other thing is, look at LA FIRES RIGHT NOW, what do you see, houses are GONE, and trees are still standing... Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf78rEAJvhY
"1 Hour into this X-Spaces Geoff make a clumsy yet deliberate attempt to Dox Jikkyleaks"
He had a post that ranted about A Midwestern Dr and implored that someone identify him/her. He had a major beef with the anonymity, yet he regularly reads and comments on another stacker who's anonymous, obviously without issue. I'll admit that this is a rather vaguely based hunch, but I think he's got attention/status envy.
I agree that it seems that way. The relevancy desperation seems to be driving many dissident folks, particularly over the last year, to attempt to eat their own team. Kevin & Jikky in particular, have received the lion's share for sure.
Having been in the vaccine critical movement for 44 years - almost 45 - it is very important to know who you are dealing with. There have always been interference running bad actors whose aim is to play nice then, then create division and throw each other under the bus.
One of the reasons I subscribed to Kevin and Peter McCullough, is because they have been totally transparent as to who they are, and they stay in their lanes.
I'm very reluctant to work with most people who will not at the very least, tell me privately who they are, and trust me not to tell anyone. Been there, done that, and been seriously burned as a result of trusting those who turned out to be untrustworthy.
If a person won't do that, why should I trust them? But if they trust you, then doxxing is an unacceptable betrayal and says everything you need to know.
It was the doxxing of Jikky that I was aiming at. I have subscribed to him, because you can't comment unless you do, and there were some important things I felt he needed to hear in his substack United we stand and Divided we fall.
Lately come Johnnies and newbies always have had, and continue to cause a lot of disunity and needless problems in the movement, and many of the people causing strife now are in that category.
Kevin, you sound exasperated. I know how I feel which wouldn’t come close to you. You’re working overtime, busting your ass and don’t need the additional aggravation of those you might think would be supportive. The frustration of what you’re going through has to be ginormous. The regulators and pharma are more than enough to drive us mad, this additional manipulative bs just adds fuel to the fire.
Just to add to what I wrote this morning. I have a distant friend who is a freelance journalist and resides in the uk. I spent the morning, hours in fact giving him as much information as I could and not to overwhelm on what I know about these shots. I mentioned all the good people involved by name including UK citizens. Blah, blah blah, etc. etc. etc. Although he “doesn’t trust pharma as far as he can throw them” he told me that vaccines save millions of lives, some people react poorly to them and if he gets the chance he’ll get the next shot. WTF. Why did I spend all of that time for nothing. It feels so frustrating. Kevin’s frustration is 1000 times worse. I’m trying to get to that point of saying nothing even when asked how I’m doing.
I'm thankful for being able to post comments here, despite of not liking cats, too much....
And it is astonishing that all these posts here are for FREE!!!!! Even McCullough, Melone and others do not do it, all the time....
On other note, could it be that: 'Pfizer has given ~2X more royalty to NIH than Moderna so why would the government favor Moderna over Pfizer?' because Mod-E-RNA contains ~3x more of the synthetic genetic reprogramming materials mod nRNA, and thus its effects in killings of humanity have much higher probability, are basically much better?? Like 3x? Mr. Kirsch wrote more on the statistics of those differences.
The entire story around SV-40 and its detection in human bodies would be most important. Just my opinion. Oh, and for more info on NLP maybe here one can get more:
“Geoff also made false claims that the Journal was an AI peer review. This is false. The Journal has an AI screen they ‘may use’, after which human reviewers step in and they guarantee all papers receive 2 human reviewers.”
Sadly, as just someone attempting to stay well informed on a very important subject and field of study , there have been loud voices. Though well meaning some have been seeking more attention to themselves or their own identity with the subject rather then the work. A couple of useful patterns have emerged. 1) they tend to load up on posts ( a few a day) 2) they have paywalls 3) they tend to re post often others posts with limited curation. Unfortunately your post here, though it sows further conflict, confirms my own feelings. I am subscribed to Geofs substack and noticed these similar patterns. Honestly just last weak i was thinking of unsubscribing cause i was tired to looking past the posts, as most of the relevent scientists i follow already. But i have been interested in the Australian happenings andhe has bern posting about them. So from a curation of information that is where i see the relevence to me. What is happening in Australia? That is where Geof substack comes in. But if he exhibits poor judgement and a strong manipulative bias it looses value as it may put me in an awkward position if i then put much weight into it.
For things to get to the point where words are said publicly is unfortunate, as it itself has consequences for everyone. Status and reputation seem to play a big part in the science space, as does laying claim to discovery. We laypeople outside that space dont give two shits about all that . Truths and facts ,my man ,that’swhat we need. Such conflicts are inevitable and unfortunate. They remind us that no one is worthy of trust , that the works and their corroboration is all
When my child is in emerge and a health care professional is leaning into us parents about initiating treatments … thats where it counts to know facts from fiction. The kind of arragant md that will attempt to live out their fantasy of being the authority of health and wellness requires instruments of medical rational to hold them in their place and shield the parental capacity and authority of ultimate decision making. Being trained as a healrhcare professional ( wifey and me) helps as we can ask questions in such ways with terminology to make the healthcare professionals take pause and appreciate we are aware of the liable and legal domains . And so we could leave and have such interactions with our powers in place. Its the facts of the matter that count. Not the person.
Thanks for this post. If anything, Pain just struck me as someone of self-importance, who'd go to great pains (ha!) to be deemed correct rather than being peaceable. Also, anyone else find it weird that Pain will retweet his own (almost) every reply comment that he posts on X?
Is it worth exploring some social considerations around how we interact as to limit the quality of discord?
I was playing out some arguments in my mind and it came to me that an under appreciated value , if included , could limit the quality of discord in some of the social conflicts i have observed in the past. I describe the value as Disclosure. Often ,people that gather to discuss matters ,introduce themselves from their story, but rarely disclosing their stake in outcomes The idea of disclosure of stake ,has impact to consent to participate . Because when people seek outcomes ,and dont disclose them , it brings eventual divergence into odds with stake holders. We can all agree while anyone is empowered to seek out their own outcomes , its fairly easy to mislead and subsequently undermine the agency of others through the concealment of stakes, whether intended or not. Discloser of stakes addresses the tendencies of social interactions. By facilitating a social practice by bringing in Disclosure into the Discussion Space. Part of grounding and arriving and connecting is introductions . Somewhere in the beginning of the process is the inclusion of Disclosure to honor the sovereignty and values of the common, as it exists in all participants. How we meet matters! If medical consent had a twin in the meeting space i think Disclosure is really key. When we weave Karma through Action having a steady hand makes the piece.
Pain seems to be completely off his rocker. His behavior was exceedingly unprofessional sharing your preliminary work, let alone work you felt was incomplete and required more study. Work that you concluded wasn’t correct. That was a red flag from the outset. Couple that with more recent behavior and it seems that he is possibly mentally unstable. In his desire to expose the vaccines as unsafe products he has chosen to vilify aspects of their dangers if he doesn’t believe one aspect of it is less important than possibly others. That anyone focusing on a potential issue that he sees isn’t the most important in his opinion, is some who working against his pet complaint.
This has been an ongoing problem with members of Pandata for over a year. While it would be nice to believe that this overzealousness is rooted in true desire to bring to light the inherent dangers in these products, as time goes along, it seems to be willful misdirection. Why? Because as McKernan points out, this DNA contamination issue is the one MOST EASILY LITIGATED!!!
So why has this group chosen to attack the research that helps in building the groundwork necessary for other researchers to build upon and delve more deeply into what these contaminants are ultimately causing to occur in vitro?
There seems to be some hidden agenda at work here and it’s likely not good. I feel that Pain has been unduly influenced by people who have a nefarious agenda and have put him into nearly a fugue state of mind, where he can no longer think clearly and is behaving irrationally.
This noise over a few mistakes in a high school genetics study paper, which could easily be corrected and have no real bearing on the results, can be easily corrected is unnecessary. It doesn’t negate the fact that 7 other professional labs, with highly credentialed researchers had already found similar results.
The people in the PANDA sphere appear to be in the process of splintering the cohesiveness of researchers seeking answers. It’s a divide and conquer strategy that ultimately likely traces back to BigPharma™ and their desire to limit theirs and their insurer’s liability.
I've had to block him. He tried to claim that IgG4 class switching was caused by lps endotoxin contamination. This makes zero sense as it would act as a superantigen, especially with Spike.
So I asked for references.
After repeated requests he linked his Substack and 4 references in it.
I followed each one up in detail as I could be wrong, but they were either totally irrelevant or said the exact opposite.
Thank you for the excellent piece!
I've noted in the past that Pain's tone is normally aggressive and condescending. Frequently pops into the comments to throw some angry one liners. He is not interested in discussion, no matter how contentious his arguments are. Sus.
is it maybe because of 'climate change':
"Tree falls have demolished my Garage and Granny Flat and I can't afford to hire an arborist."
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/can-you-help-me-deal-with-another
I believe his behavior predates this article. I normally would follow a dissident scientist like him, but I remember not following purely because of his tone. I find his adversarial style stressful to read.
boy, and there is another one:
https://geoffpain.substack.com/p/thanks-to-brave-victoria-police-forensic
It wouldn't surprise me if he was a "targeted individual," but some types are just magnets for trouble.
That yard looks like it hasn’t been cared for in a decade or more.
If you have old growth trees on your property near buildings you have to care for them. I know we’ve spent thousands over the last 25 years maintaining and removing ones that were non-viable and this is just a ¼ acre lot. Maintaining things require effort and a chunk of your income, but it’s necessary.
yes, sure, maintenance is impoertant, for the look alone, the other thing is, look at LA FIRES RIGHT NOW, what do you see, houses are GONE, and trees are still standing... Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf78rEAJvhY
"The DImming" or go to: https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/the-dimming-full-length-climate-engineering-documentary/
to inform yourself properly. And it is NOT the little fish either...
"1 Hour into this X-Spaces Geoff make a clumsy yet deliberate attempt to Dox Jikkyleaks"
He had a post that ranted about A Midwestern Dr and implored that someone identify him/her. He had a major beef with the anonymity, yet he regularly reads and comments on another stacker who's anonymous, obviously without issue. I'll admit that this is a rather vaguely based hunch, but I think he's got attention/status envy.
I agree that it seems that way. The relevancy desperation seems to be driving many dissident folks, particularly over the last year, to attempt to eat their own team. Kevin & Jikky in particular, have received the lion's share for sure.
This is a tough one Dingo.
Having been in the vaccine critical movement for 44 years - almost 45 - it is very important to know who you are dealing with. There have always been interference running bad actors whose aim is to play nice then, then create division and throw each other under the bus.
One of the reasons I subscribed to Kevin and Peter McCullough, is because they have been totally transparent as to who they are, and they stay in their lanes.
I'm very reluctant to work with most people who will not at the very least, tell me privately who they are, and trust me not to tell anyone. Been there, done that, and been seriously burned as a result of trusting those who turned out to be untrustworthy.
If a person won't do that, why should I trust them? But if they trust you, then doxxing is an unacceptable betrayal and says everything you need to know.
MWD: Yet I understand him.
And I see he is less of a limited hangout than most other sources allowed to survive.
We are in 5GW, and also he will play a role. And if it is self-assigned.
We all do.
What has become of the rule: and if there is war, don‘t play along and fight?
Well, now the target is us, the people of he whole world.
And the enemy is hiding.
It was the doxxing of Jikky that I was aiming at. I have subscribed to him, because you can't comment unless you do, and there were some important things I felt he needed to hear in his substack United we stand and Divided we fall.
Lately come Johnnies and newbies always have had, and continue to cause a lot of disunity and needless problems in the movement, and many of the people causing strife now are in that category.
Thank you for this Kevin. Much appreciated
Kevin, you sound exasperated. I know how I feel which wouldn’t come close to you. You’re working overtime, busting your ass and don’t need the additional aggravation of those you might think would be supportive. The frustration of what you’re going through has to be ginormous. The regulators and pharma are more than enough to drive us mad, this additional manipulative bs just adds fuel to the fire.
Just to add to what I wrote this morning. I have a distant friend who is a freelance journalist and resides in the uk. I spent the morning, hours in fact giving him as much information as I could and not to overwhelm on what I know about these shots. I mentioned all the good people involved by name including UK citizens. Blah, blah blah, etc. etc. etc. Although he “doesn’t trust pharma as far as he can throw them” he told me that vaccines save millions of lives, some people react poorly to them and if he gets the chance he’ll get the next shot. WTF. Why did I spend all of that time for nothing. It feels so frustrating. Kevin’s frustration is 1000 times worse. I’m trying to get to that point of saying nothing even when asked how I’m doing.
Important issues here. Thanks for the discussion.
I'm thankful for being able to post comments here, despite of not liking cats, too much....
And it is astonishing that all these posts here are for FREE!!!!! Even McCullough, Melone and others do not do it, all the time....
On other note, could it be that: 'Pfizer has given ~2X more royalty to NIH than Moderna so why would the government favor Moderna over Pfizer?' because Mod-E-RNA contains ~3x more of the synthetic genetic reprogramming materials mod nRNA, and thus its effects in killings of humanity have much higher probability, are basically much better?? Like 3x? Mr. Kirsch wrote more on the statistics of those differences.
The entire story around SV-40 and its detection in human bodies would be most important. Just my opinion. Oh, and for more info on NLP maybe here one can get more:
https://science.osti.gov/bes/suf/User-Facilities/Nanoscale-Science-Research-Centers/CFN
Last but not least, who the hell is that Geoff?
“Geoff also made false claims that the Journal was an AI peer review. This is false. The Journal has an AI screen they ‘may use’, after which human reviewers step in and they guarantee all papers receive 2 human reviewers.”
I can verify the peer reviewer was human, not AI.
Sadly, as just someone attempting to stay well informed on a very important subject and field of study , there have been loud voices. Though well meaning some have been seeking more attention to themselves or their own identity with the subject rather then the work. A couple of useful patterns have emerged. 1) they tend to load up on posts ( a few a day) 2) they have paywalls 3) they tend to re post often others posts with limited curation. Unfortunately your post here, though it sows further conflict, confirms my own feelings. I am subscribed to Geofs substack and noticed these similar patterns. Honestly just last weak i was thinking of unsubscribing cause i was tired to looking past the posts, as most of the relevent scientists i follow already. But i have been interested in the Australian happenings andhe has bern posting about them. So from a curation of information that is where i see the relevence to me. What is happening in Australia? That is where Geof substack comes in. But if he exhibits poor judgement and a strong manipulative bias it looses value as it may put me in an awkward position if i then put much weight into it.
For things to get to the point where words are said publicly is unfortunate, as it itself has consequences for everyone. Status and reputation seem to play a big part in the science space, as does laying claim to discovery. We laypeople outside that space dont give two shits about all that . Truths and facts ,my man ,that’swhat we need. Such conflicts are inevitable and unfortunate. They remind us that no one is worthy of trust , that the works and their corroboration is all
When my child is in emerge and a health care professional is leaning into us parents about initiating treatments … thats where it counts to know facts from fiction. The kind of arragant md that will attempt to live out their fantasy of being the authority of health and wellness requires instruments of medical rational to hold them in their place and shield the parental capacity and authority of ultimate decision making. Being trained as a healrhcare professional ( wifey and me) helps as we can ask questions in such ways with terminology to make the healthcare professionals take pause and appreciate we are aware of the liable and legal domains . And so we could leave and have such interactions with our powers in place. Its the facts of the matter that count. Not the person.
Looks like he is a Robert Malone 2.0.
He couldn't be all that bad though look at his smile on his profile picture.
Remember what being happy was like then Geoff?
Thanks for this post. If anything, Pain just struck me as someone of self-importance, who'd go to great pains (ha!) to be deemed correct rather than being peaceable. Also, anyone else find it weird that Pain will retweet his own (almost) every reply comment that he posts on X?
We all have day jobs, if you need help please ask.
And I had no idea this was even happening.
Is it worth exploring some social considerations around how we interact as to limit the quality of discord?
I was playing out some arguments in my mind and it came to me that an under appreciated value , if included , could limit the quality of discord in some of the social conflicts i have observed in the past. I describe the value as Disclosure. Often ,people that gather to discuss matters ,introduce themselves from their story, but rarely disclosing their stake in outcomes The idea of disclosure of stake ,has impact to consent to participate . Because when people seek outcomes ,and dont disclose them , it brings eventual divergence into odds with stake holders. We can all agree while anyone is empowered to seek out their own outcomes , its fairly easy to mislead and subsequently undermine the agency of others through the concealment of stakes, whether intended or not. Discloser of stakes addresses the tendencies of social interactions. By facilitating a social practice by bringing in Disclosure into the Discussion Space. Part of grounding and arriving and connecting is introductions . Somewhere in the beginning of the process is the inclusion of Disclosure to honor the sovereignty and values of the common, as it exists in all participants. How we meet matters! If medical consent had a twin in the meeting space i think Disclosure is really key. When we weave Karma through Action having a steady hand makes the piece.